Doctor NerdLove insists that before you can become good at dating, you have to start with the basics.
On Monday, we talked about how the key to learning any new skill is to deconstruct it. You want to break the skill – whether it’s playing guitar, learning a new language or even dating – into its core components.
It’s entirely too easy to get distracted by side issues; the would-be martial artist wants to skip straight past the basics to where he learns how to break boards and beat people up, the cooking newbie obsesses about the perfect knife or whether he needs a food processor or a sous-vide appliance while he still hasn’t mastered basic prep.
In dating, we are often distracted – focusing on the perfect approach and opening line or how to get a one-night stand, for example – when our time is better spent learning the central concepts. After all, you need to learn to crawl before you run.
One of the keys to deconstructing a skill is to find and focus on the areas that cause people to stumble and fail. After all, it doesn’t do any good to spend your time learning bad habits that you will only have to unlearn later on.
But sometimes those sticking points aren’t where you think they are.
Worth noting (since somebody will bring it up in the comments) is that the mistakes that hold you back aren’t about technique (leaning in when talking to people, too much physical contact) or planning (forgetting to check logistics). The biggest mistakes are the ones in your head. Before you even approach someone or sit down at your first date, these are the problems that make dating so much more difficult than it needs to be.
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5) Stop Overthinking Things
One of the perils of being a geek is that we live in our own heads. We’re clever and we know it… and this is often a problem. You see, when you’re clever and you know it, you’re more likely to actually make things more complicated then they truly are.
We tend to assume that things are always more than they seem whether it’s an SAT question – “That comparison of cow is to goat as BLANK is to BLANK can’t just be because they’re land mammals… maybe it’s because they’re both domesticated and give milk… what else gives milk that we domesticated? Camels? Sheep?” – to dating.
We have a hard time assuming that perhaps the most obvious answer is the right answer because we grew up believing that the obvious answer was a trap of some kind. Clearly it’s too obvious, therefore there has to be something we’re not seeing…
This is never more clear than when you see someone playing “Does she like me or not?” They start reading the tea leaves, examining a woman’s behavior as though it were the Zapruder film, looking for tiny clues that would give us insight into what she really means when she says she’s busy that weekend.
This causes many people no end of anxiety, especially those who are worried about being creepy by accident. They become so caught up in trying to find even the most minute sign of discomfort that they end up being unable to relax and actually interact with her.
Same with knowing when and how to approach someone. The only real approach invitation one needs is a genuine smile, but many guys treat approaching a woman as though they were trying to make a carrier landing – look for hair flipping, the look-away-look back AND the head nod, now call the ball….
This can cause problems even on dates: what did it mean when she declined another drink? She paused a few seconds longer when she was talking about her hobbies… is she wishing she were somewhere else? With someone else? She keeps bringing up her ex – does she mean that she wishes I were more like her ex?
I’ve gotten letters from people who have asked women out on dates – dates that women said yes to – and want me to dissect everything she said or did because there has to be more to it than she thinks they’re fun and wants to go on a date with them.
As a general rule of thumb, people say what they mean. They’re not trying to hide their real feelings and you don’t have to be a master poker-player to find their tells. Unless they’re trying to usurp the throne of Westeros, people aren’t cloaking their true intentions in subterfuge and guile.
Yes, there are assholes out there. There can be times when social conditioning – especially on the part of women – means that they will try to be sparing of somebody’s feelings. But the vast majority of the time, the correct answer is the obvious answer.
4) Stop Playing Games
This is one of my pet-peeves: people who think that the keys to dating are complicated mind-games and arbitrary rules. I split the blame between the pick-up industry (for men) and old-fashioned cultural bullshit like The Rules (for women) for perpetuating the idea that dating is more complicated than whether or not you like someone else and want to pursue a relationship with them.
The PUA industry, for example, gives the idea that women are hypergamous status-seekers who have pre-rejected men; men have to jump through hoops in order to prove that they are worth dating… and even then, women are always looking for reasons to trade in their current boyfriend for a newer, shinier model. Through social proof, compliance ladders, mind games, strategic negging1 to establish your status above hers, you can convince a woman that you’re not only the new shiny model but she should be seeking yourapproval.
Y’know.
Instead of treating her like a person and getting to know her.
Some schools within the industry take it to a darker, more psychotic place where men should be manipulative as possible, the better to keep her constantly insecure in the relationship and unsure of her standing; after all, if she’s never sure if she’s done something wrong, she’ll be that much more eager to please you. Keep her off-balance and you’ve got your own love slave.
Then there are other cultural ideas like the three days rule (popularized by Swingers): the idea that you shouldn’t call a girl for three days after you got her number for fear of appearing too eager.
The Rules plays its own counterpoint to the misogyny that’s all too present in PUA society; it deals in slut-shaming bullshit and old-fashioned ideals with rules like “Never call first and rarely return his calls”, “don’t see him more than once or twice a week” or “no sex before exclusivity”. After all, to be too accessible or to be willing to own your sexuality means that men won’t respect you, missy.
All of these games and arbitrary rules take getting to know someone and finding out whether you’d be interested in a relationship with them – whether sexual or romantic (or both!) – and turn it into a campaign of manipulativeness and dishonesty. It means that not only are you entering into this interaction in bad faith – after all, you’re not presenting your true self – but that you’re so insecure that you can’t allow yourself to be honest or vulnerable. Moreover, it implies that you see relationships as inherently antagonistic, where only the better games-player “wins”.
Small wonder you’re having dating problems if this is your attitude.
The best thing you can do when you’re interested in someone is to be your best, most authentic self, not what you think you need to be.
3) Take Responsibility
This is something I see far, far too often amongst men: the belief that they’re helpless victims in a cold universe; poor hapless players in a game where the deck is stacked against them. It’s not their fault; women are too bitchy or demanding or only date X guys 2 or some other reason why they should be absolved of responsibility for their lack of success.
I get the appeal. I mean, shit, I was one of those guys for an embarrassingly long time.
But it’s all smoke and mirrors. It’s a way of deflecting the truth and protecting yourself from the fact that you are the sum total of all of your choices in life, both good and bad. No matter how much you wish you could blame it on something, anything else.
It’s great when you can blame everything on someone else; women only like assholes, women are crazy, they can’t appreciate nice guys like you, it’s not your fault. But at the end of the day, the thing that every rejection, breakup and heartbreak has in common… is you.
This doesn’t mean that you’re just some loser or creep who deserves to be alone, but it does mean that you need to examine what you’re doing. Sometimes it’s a case of things you’re doing wrong – you’re coming across as too needy or being too sexual too quickly. Sometimes it’s a matter of the choices you make; you may be pursuing women that you’re not suited for or who aren’t suited for you. Sometimes it’s a matter of lifestyle or even a matter of your personality. At which point you have a choice: do you continue to just wail about the unfairness of life… or do you accept that you and you alone are responsible for your life and take control in order to make things better?
Are you going just suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune – to quote the Bard3 – take up arms against a sea of unending troubles and by opposing, end them?
Sure, sometimes shit happens that’s out of your control – you get laid off from your job, your girlfriend suddenly dumps you out of the blue because she’s decided to pursue her dream of living in Williamsburg and starting a throat-singing folk band, a meteor falls out of the sky and destroys your house.
That sucks. But you can either whine or you can do something about it.
If you don’t take responsibility for your life, you can’t control it. You can’t blame all of your failures on God, the Universe and everything and still take credit for your successes.
So you can accept responsibility for your failures in your dating life or you can never get better. Your choice.
2) Set Firm Boundaries
A lot of socially inexperienced guys, especially those who have low self-esteem, have a hard time setting boundaries. These are the people who let others walk all over them, who constantly put other people’s needs ahead of their own, who are always balls-deep in drama.
It can be hard to feel as though you deserve to be respected, to be willing to take a stand and say “No, this isnot my responsibility” when others try to shift it onto you. When you don’t feel as though you have anything to offer, or that you don’t have a right to refuse others, it’s difficult to draw a hard line and say “This far, no farther”.
Being overly obliging is actually an incredibly common way people try to get others to like them. In theory, it seems obvious: do nice things for people and they’ll appreciate you. In practice, it’s quite the opposite; when you don’t respect yourself enough to say “no”, then others won’t respect you. After all, you’re telling themthat you have nothing else to offer.
Not having strong boundaries leaves you vulnerable to manipulative assholes, passive-aggressive victims and emotionally abusive shitbags.
I should know. My weak boundaries left me stuck in an emotionally abusive and life-draining relationship for years. Being able to stand up for yourself and demand that people respect your limits and wishes speaks to confidence and, critically, will help ensure that you aren’t being pathetically needy in an attempt to get people to like you.
1) Stop Thinking It’s All About You.
Here’s what a lot of people don’t realize: you’re not the only one freaking out about dating. Everybody else is too.
A date isn’t a competition or an audition for a role, it’s a way of getting to know somebody. You’re not trying to prove something or meet some arbitrary and random standard to prove yourself worthy of a second date, of sex, of a relationship; you’re trying to form a connection with another person.
Every single date you’ve ever gone on, you’ve been sitting across (or next to) someone who is just as nervousand just as anxiety-ridden as you are. They’re sitting there wondering what you’re thinking, cringing inside as they made a joke they’re convinced just fell flat, worrying that they’ve got something between their teeth, wondering what that pause in your story meant, praying that their hair looks ok, that their dress doesn’t look as bad on them as they imagine it does and that you’re not going to think that they’re some crazy, creepy loser.
Just like you are.
You know why?
Because your date wants everything to go well just as badly as you do.
People don’t go on dates with folks they don’t like4, they go out with people they like and want to get to know.
If she said “yes” when you asked her out, you’re half-way there! You already know that she’s interested in you and wants to get to know you better. All you have to do is relax and let her know you are the cool, funny, charming person she’s been hoping to meet.
When you’re so caught up in your own anxieties and worries that you think that every date is a referendum on you as a person, it’s going to come out in your behavior, in your body language and in the way you speak. You need to be willing to realize that she’s right there with you. She’s cheering you on. She wants to like you and she wants you to like her, too.
Take a deep breath. Accept that you’re nervous and that’s ok. So’s she. Accept that things can get awkward.
Accept that she wants to be there.
Stop making the mistake that you’re the only one who’s freaking out inside.
You’re both hoping for the same thing.
Originally appeared at Paging Dr. NerdLove
Photo: Flickr/andronicusmax
I disagree, I’m very nervous on dates. I’m nerdy and not super attractive, and I always feel like dating is a test where the guy will accept me or reject me based on how well I fit his idea of a sterotypical female. One guy in college called me after our first date and told me he liked me but I was “too smart.” That one stayed with me to this day — “don’t say anything that sounds too smart!” Talk about nerve wracking. Also, knowing that I’m average looking and not a hot chick is very demoralizing.
Amen, Sarah: women have just as many doubts about first or second dates. Just because you made it to the second date doesn’t mean there will be a third. And that ‘too smart’ remark was a cruel and rude one — don’t give it any power by accepting it. If you deliberately acted less smart, you’d be doing yourself a disservice. A good mind is the best friend you have; it’s a survival tool, so never underrate your intelligence. Be the best of who you are instead — for yourself. And men should do the same, out of self-respect as… Read more »
When a man is dating a woman, it means he already finds her attractive. When a woman is dating a man, very often, its like “she’s giving him a chance” She wants to see if he can render himself attractive to her She wants to see if she can “grow into him” She wants to see if he can somehow build attraction between them. She is waiting to see if he can persuade her that he is good enough for her. There is a fundamental difference in the way men and women approach dating, generally. So I disagree with you,… Read more »
Many men go on dates who are secretly craving a woman who can alleviate their insecurities, self-doubts, and need for respect and validation. This is what they are attracted to in a women. Pretty doesn’t hurt. If this same man believes the 5 things you wrote about women to be true, she will immediately notice his poor opinion of himself AND her. He shows up already granting her the power to make or break his whole evening. She doesn’t want that power nor a man who is willing to give it to her. Another man on the same date who… Read more »
bs? one single date out of.,.er over 25 people i´ve fucked with was someone i had because i wanted to give him a chance. i only fuck people i like, and if i want a realtionship, then i am very sure that i have at least a crush on that person. why should i waste my time with someone who doesnt interrests me in that way? also-as man, yeah, you cant control that. my preferences arent that high. my 7year lt-partner has severe depression, is overweight and as lazy as i am. but he is also highly intelligent and just… Read more »
Fantastic article. I’ve been guilty of all of these things in the past. Single for several months now, and while I’d like to meet someone, I’m not in any rush. The relationship I have with myself is the most important one for me to focus on right now; hopefully the rest will follow in time. In particular, over-thinking everything and setting boundaries are the two things I need to learn how to handle better.
Thank you for publishing this article.
“It’s great when you can blame everything on someone else; women only like assholes, women are crazy, they can’t appreciate nice guys like you, it’s not your fault. But at the end of the day, the thing that every rejection, breakup and heartbreak has in common… is you.” Yes, yes, yes….the cold, hard, bitter truth. Find a way to like yourself FIRST and then work on attracting women who actually like THAT guy. Set the rest of them free to find their match. The whole article was spot on, Harris! Thanks. About the PUA techniques in lasting relationships? The reason… Read more »
@Steve….. “It’s great when you can blame everything on someone else; women only like assholes, women are crazy, they can’t appreciate nice guys like you, it’s not your fault. But at the end of the day, the thing that every rejection, breakup and heartbreak has in common… is you.” That would also apply to rape. Does that mean it’s the woman’s fault because what each rape has in common is the female rape victim? NO!! Listen Steve, we men are NOT always and every where the issue in marriages/relationships. Harris has this mentality that if you are not getting the… Read more »
I think the subtle message in Harris’ and my point of view that might be missed is this: (I actually say this clearly in other writings) A man who understands and likes who he is, what he stands for, and enforces his own boundaries for “pleasing” other people doesn’t waste a second of his life worrying about what others are not GIVING him. He doesn’t play the game of giving to get something. That’s why it is so easy for him to go first. He gives because that is just who he is. He ends up attracting the cream of… Read more »
Steve Horsmon
Can I ask you a few fundamental questions ?
Tim,
Of course, why would you need to ask permission?
If you think this is the right forum, I’ll address them here.
cow : goat : : ____ : ____ ?
This is a very bad S.A.T. analogy question and therefore a poor example for the paragraph about overthinking.
Who overthinks? I think just as much as I need to…..
I’ll bet 10 points a cow has never been to a goat on an SAT test.
I thought The Rules was a satire. Am I smokin the botts?
Overall, a great article, and I agree that The Rules and all of of those other articles and advice columns are B.S. —-BUT while I do not agree with slut-shaming, I agree that not sleeping with a man until you are exclusive is good advice for different reasons. (And actually, I think The Rules actually says that a woman can sleep with a man. She’s just not supposed to get attached, which defies nature, but whatever). Okay, if someone is polyamorous or whatever, that is their deal. But there are a number of good reasons that some of us are… Read more »
But just to be clear, a guide to becoming a better predator is not the same as a guide to finding love.
Sadly, romance movies and 50 Shades of Gray garbage may tell us all otherwise. That’s because the romance ending is much better than the soul-crushing marriage and/or divorce movie that follows later.
“The Rules” can sound kinda ridiculous…. Especially when one of the authors got divorced….so really, what do the “experts” know about how that date and relationship will turn out anyway? I am watching the marriage of two close friends blow up before my very eyes…and my friend was in some ways a “Rules” girl…. Once she got married, she lost her voice and submitted to varying degrees of abuse, which sickens me…..I think some people get together to avoid that terrible loneliness but sometimes a relationship with a manipulative, controlling, violent person is so much worse than being alone…. Perhaps… Read more »
“I agree that not sleeping with a man until you are exclusive is good advice for different reasons.”
Great advice Cat. And men should do the same.
I could never understand how or why people have sex with others when they know that person is sexing other men (multiple) or women (multiple). Honestly, it just seems rather dirty and disgusting.
JMO.
Hi Harris
Well said:
” you’re trying to form a connection with another person.”
Just sounds like the whole dating game crap has got so needlessly over-complicated.
Whats your track record with women compared to some of the more popular PUA’s? I’ve found many of their methods to be highly effective.
I don’t know Harris’ track record, but I know he’s happily married to a beautiful woman. I think the PUAs do have some “effective methods” for picking up women, but I think you have to consider what your objective is. Most of the guys I know, and the guys who ask my partner Eli and I for advice really want to find a real partnership, not just a series of new conquests every night. As a woman who used to be on the dating market, I have to say that I think this is probably one of Harris’ most true,… Read more »
Joanna
Why are you always so keen to endorse NL? Genuinely curious.
@Bay Area Guy….
Don’t hold your breath!
I don’t see why PUA techniques can’t be used to secure a lasting relationship.
In fact, there are another set of techs specifically used for maintaining relationships.
I don’t know that PUA techniques can’t be used to secure a lasting relationship. In fact, they probably can.
I just don’t know why anyone would want a lasting relationship that requires a set of “techs” to create, and then requires the further use of those “techs” – or perhaps deployment of a whole new set of “techs” – to maintain.
“I just don’t know why anyone would want a lasting relationship that requires a set of “techs” to create, and then requires the further use of those “techs” – or perhaps deployment of a whole new set of “techs” – to maintain.” Most men don’t! However, since our primary purpose on God’s earth is to please women, all these techs are required. But remember, some men (those who women PREFER) get a free pass. They are exempt. Maybe if 20%-30% of women would STOP marrying the wrong man, then there would be no need to deploy a whole new set… Read more »
Why is assigning blame (and blame for what?) relevant/important in what’s supposed to be a self-help/advise column?
You’re free to take the advice given, or call it awful and leave it.
I didn’t think PUA’s wanted lasting relationships. They want short term casual relationships where they get sex without having to have an actual relationship (or call the next day). PUA techniques strikes me as probably somewhat successful in convincing fairly shallow,immature women to have sex with you. It was origially designed, after all, to get casual sex with women in bars and nightclubs in Hollywood and Vegas. It’s not about building real connections with women, it ‘s about sellng a product (you are the product). There is nothing inherently wrong with that if that’s what you want, but I can’t… Read more »
Perhaps you ought to do some research.
I’ve actually read quite a bit of stuff by PUA’s. I think what I said is generally accurate. I found very little in PUA material that puts men, women or relationships in a positive, life-affirming light. Like I said, it’s all about selling a product in order to get more sex. Again, if that’s what you want, there is nothing necessarily wrong with it (unless you are hurting other people, which is debatable, but let’s assume you are hooking up with women who are equally casual about sex). However, a PUA in a serious relationship seems like an oxymoron.
BTW, I think the “Rules” suffers from the same problem. In that case, women are selling themselves as a product in order to manipulate a guy into a long term relationship. It’s the reverse of PUA, with the goal being a relationship with a high value man rather than casual sex with a Perfect 10 woman. That can’t be good in the long term, either. Eventually the manipulation has to end and you’d better have something else to offer at that point.
@Joanna… “…but I know he’s happily married to a beautiful woman.” And. Your point is? How is this relevant to the discourse? “……not just a series of new conquests every night.” Well, you certainly do not know most men in America. How about the estimated 20%-30% of men who are involuntarily celibate? I think they would enjoy getting any sex whenever they can. Ex PUA men like Harris (now masquerading as whatever…..) never really had to deal with what MOST men in America are confronted with by many women. There is nothing wrong with trying to connect with another person.… Read more »
Women have their faults, and us men have our faults. The thing is, we can only fix our faults – which is why Dr NL, et al, encourage taking ownership of our faults – because we have the power to improve ourselves, and we should. Especially since an awful lot of what they advise will help you be happier regardless of if you get the girl or not. Focusing on the common faults of women is not nearly as helpful; all it tends to enable is for us to blame everything on them instead of looking for how we can… Read more »